tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post575344081802511348..comments2024-02-23T08:34:49.655-08:00Comments on My Tango Diaries: What Women Want: Part IIMarihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08960763038363579526noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-58347480626599767082012-03-13T15:26:40.966-07:002012-03-13T15:26:40.966-07:00Thank you so much. This kind of effort you have do...Thank you so much. This kind of effort you have done is extremely valuable, because it is based on statistical patterns and not just personal opinion which some people can easily disregard.<br /><br />All advices are very good, but I have to comment on the second one. Of course not waiting for the follower is very important, and probably very typical mistake many leaders make.<br /><br />But if we go little bit deeper on the subject, if you are dancing in more fluid and circular (I am talking about nuevo), it is necessary that the initial impulse for the for the next direction starts already while the follower is still completing the previous step.Mikkohttp://cerebrar.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-53967916495415281962012-03-07T06:14:25.942-08:002012-03-07T06:14:25.942-08:00Cinderella and Ghost - great comments from you bot...Cinderella and Ghost - great comments from you both, thank you. <br /><br />I only learned to love milonga when I realized that when things go wrong - there's no time to fix it or worry about it. Just keep going. That took the pressure off for some reason, and then I could really enjoy milongas after that.<br /><br />btw that's one of my very favorite videos, Ghost. Gorgeous.Marikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14195873941515232734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-85150860755026313422012-03-07T05:51:27.670-08:002012-03-07T05:51:27.670-08:00@Cinderella
Loosely speaking in my experience the...@Cinderella<br /><br />Loosely speaking in my experience there's two types of leaders. There's the ones who genuinely want to do horrible things and there's the ones who either don't know there's a better option / have been told that the better option is bad in some way / are scared of taking the better option.<br /><br />My feeling is that the one's who genuinely want to do horrible things should go for it. And do them with women who want to do that, ideally in a venue filled with people who all want to do that. And then I can dance with women who want to dance the way Mari's describing in venues filled with people who also want to do that. <br /><br />As for milonga, for me personally<br /><br />1. I don't want to dance like a drunken sailor<br />2. I don't want to dance sequence 1A three times, then sequence 1B three times and so on. <br />3. I don't want to step on every single beat (in what would be double-time in tango).<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWMatXH-bIw<br /><br />4. Sometimes I want to muck around. Where I'm not really leading anything and we just move together in all sorts of fun and interesting ways that I could never actually dance if I had to think about what I was doing, particularly as a large part of it comes from the woman. I'm not interested in doing it properly. As long as the woman is comfortable and having fun (and we don't hack off the surrouding dancers) anything goes. Laughing may well be involved....;o) <br /><br />Hope that helps<br /><br />One hidden thing about milonga - you can think of it as getting a full body massage to periodically help get rid of the stresses and tensions that gradually accumulate if you only dance tango all night.Ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-9918011319208228482012-03-06T23:22:07.388-08:002012-03-06T23:22:07.388-08:00Wonderful post, Mari.
TP, I talked to the DJ in a ...Wonderful post, Mari.<br />TP, I talked to the DJ in a crowded milonga with excellent dancing recently. He said: "Look at that. It's wonderful to see how it flows. You don't get to see that in many places." My answer was: "But it must be very difficult for the leaders to deal with so many other couples on the floor." "Oh no", he said, " the most important thing for a leader is to hold the woman in his arms." :)<br />Ghost, I don't think I agree on the "authenticity" thing. There are very authentic leaders who just do horrible things which are still authentic. <br />Ghost, but what you wrote about milonga has a lot to offer me. There are only very few leaders with who I dance it, and even with them I don't feel very comfortable. Most of the time I use the milongas for resting and watching, but I'm always a bit sad and feel that I would like to do something about it. I just don't find out what it is. Maybe points No 2, 3, 8 and 10?Cinderellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-60236419921300550182012-03-06T07:25:23.087-08:002012-03-06T07:25:23.087-08:00Hans - Thank you for your feedback, Hans. We never...Hans - Thank you for your feedback, Hans. We never stop learning this dance.<br /><br />TP - lol, I am actually working on a post from the other side of the embrace, but the answers so far tend to be a little on the snarky side. (I find it's best to ask those questions before the wine starts flowing lol.) And that part of the quote (Gustavo etc etc) wasn't really what I was drawn to - more the first part. But it seemed strange to only have the first part in there.<br /><br />Ghost - btw - the 20yr old/ gancho comment - I've heard about 8 variations on the same sentiment. It is a reality that has to be acknowledged. *shrug*<br /><br />I agree that the authenticity is the key. If you don't know yourself - you can't know your partner. And you have to make peace with the fact that things change - your preferences, others' preferences, your reason for "being here, doing this". Nothing stays the same. That's why I still take lessons in the things I like least because most of the time there is something to be learned - even if it's only, "nope, still hate it." At least I'm not acting on an assumption.<br /><br />Now back to work on Part IIIMarikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14195873941515232734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-11758593680773115522012-03-06T03:48:13.101-08:002012-03-06T03:48:13.101-08:00Brilliant! :o)
I have a somewhat sideways viewpoi...Brilliant! :o)<br /><br />I have a somewhat sideways viewpoint on this that gels with your cute 20 year-old who wants to do ganchos.<br /><br />What comes across to me in all the points is that the leader has to be authentic. One of my favourite tangueras once said to me "Oh, I thought you didn't like milonga?" to which I explained that I'd only just gotten to the point where I could understand milonga music and move in a way to it that I wanted to. I'd always wanted to, I just hadn't been able to before. <br /><br />As a leader I think you have a few choices. First, try and figure out what it is that you really want to do? Does Pugliese make you go :S or :o) Do you deep down want to dance ganchos?<br /><br />The easy answer is to then focus on that and find the women who want to dance that way, whatever that may be.<br /><br />But there is another answer. Try out other things and ask yourself why is it you don't like them? Then go and talk to people who do like them. Check that there aren't hidden reasons. Tango lyrics used to irritate me because I don't speak spanish and I was told that they're all depressing and whiny. But then I went and looked up the translations and there's incredible beauty in them and now I love lyrics.<br /><br />I also reckon every once in a while it's worth checking that the things you don't like, you still don't like. <br /><br />But I'd still stick with dancing with tangueras who can follow you in a way that is authentic to them.Ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-69845856402603233332012-03-05T22:26:13.952-08:002012-03-05T22:26:13.952-08:00besides, 7 years = teacher?, and Gustavo, Chico an...besides, 7 years = teacher?, and Gustavo, Chico and Fabian (in relationship to social dance)? ... hmmmTPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16721918247998876260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-8085791257583044092012-03-05T22:24:14.633-08:002012-03-05T22:24:14.633-08:00Anybody cares what men want? ;-)Anybody cares what men want? ;-)TPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16721918247998876260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-25420485094755884662012-03-05T19:44:59.004-08:002012-03-05T19:44:59.004-08:00I love it! Good stuff that bears repeating. And re...I love it! Good stuff that bears repeating. And repeating. And repeating (I sometimes feel a very slow learning). It'll be 5 years this spring that I've been dancing tango Argentino. Yet I feel so wet behind the ears. I keep peeling away layers of extraneous stuff, keep learning more about keeping it simple, staying connected, listening to her body, dancing from mine. Thanks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470835705255338163noreply@blogger.com