tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post7097045048690883303..comments2024-02-23T08:34:49.655-08:00Comments on My Tango Diaries: Review of Workshop - G-town Tango's Milonguero Dips and Back VolcadasMarihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08960763038363579526noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-36464207464875300032010-01-07T08:42:04.734-08:002010-01-07T08:42:04.734-08:00I was waiting for that to come up. As you know Jan...I was waiting for that to come up. As you know Jan, like anything else being taught in the U.S, things have to be called something. The Dance-forums thread that goes into background of the term can be found here:<br /><br />http://www.danceforums.com/showthread.php?p=626601<br /><br />No one's claiming to have invented anything or traced its history or to anyone. It's a beautiful, versatile and very useful turn on the social dance floor that several dancers and instructors use. But that's a lot to put in a class title. <br /><br />And regarding what the milongueros would think, I doubt they'd give a hoot one way or another unless someone was putting their specific name on it.Marihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08960763038363579526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-12087527127187226572010-01-07T08:32:02.118-08:002010-01-07T08:32:02.118-08:00Who came up with the "milonguero dip?" ...Who came up with the "milonguero dip?" The milongueros in BsAs would be interested in knowing about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-72739195100086246272010-01-04T18:44:42.838-08:002010-01-04T18:44:42.838-08:00Bastet - concept vs. pattern - that's it exact...Bastet - concept vs. pattern - that's it exactly. When steps/patterns/movements are taught without context, there is so much opportunity missed.Marihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08960763038363579526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5370884568160752646.post-49636861297909227922010-01-04T16:30:30.407-08:002010-01-04T16:30:30.407-08:00I think, then, you got out of the class what was i...I think, then, you got out of the class what was intended.<br /><br />One thing I've noticed as I've gone along, is that there are classes that are "pattern" and classes that are "concept" (some more so than others) and some that try to mix the two together (sometimes this is ideal also).<br /><br />I don't mind a "pattern" based class, as long as the base "concept" is apparent to the students. Sometimes you need some sort of base structure like a small pattern to outline the concept you are trying to show. It's often difficult to teach a strictly "concept" class. Usually musicality classes or floorcraft classes are where this works best.<br /><br />The best advice I can give you is if you like learning by concept (and the times I've run in to this is mostly with American teachers) then choose classes/workshops with teachers that you know will give you concept because that is their nature even if there is some "structure/pattern" element to it also, because sometimes that has to be there or people just get totally lost and have no frame of reference for the concept.<br /><br />One thing I also do is not to discount a pattern I learn. If absolutely nothing else, I use it as a way to get used to the feeling of whatever it is and "assimilate" it in to my body, much like you did with the milonguero dip, so that when you go out, you can recognize it and respond to it when you feel it.<br /><br />But I do agree, if it's a class I've seen a topic on already, I am less likely to take a class like that unless I know the teacher included "concept" as part of their teaching method and I'm likely to learn something new about it by taking it again with them.<br /><br />My prime example is Luciana Valle. I learned volcadas (correctly) with her a few years ago, then a year later she taught the class again, and I took it again and learned a few new concepts because she is one of the few Argentines I have taken lessons from who teaches more by concept than pattern so you'll almost always find new ideas each time.<br /><br />bastetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com